Friday, March 21, 2008

Friends of Seattle Forum

Update, see below.

Last night, I went to the Friends of Seattle Forum at what was the old Sit'N Spin and is now the Spitfire bar. There was a panel with Jan Drago, Seattle City Council member, Mike O'Brien from the Sierra Club Cascade Chapter, Rob Johnson from Transportation Choices, and Greg Walker from Sound Transit. It was moderated by CR Douglas, who writes for Crosscut. I didn't learn a tremendous amount, but I did notice the following:

  • It's still not obvious that ST will be back on the ballot this year. I asked Dow Constantine and he said that he wanted it to be, which is the same thing the mayor told me at his barbecue, but others on the board, including Snohomish Executive Aaron Reardon (he wasn't there, I didn't talk to him personally) were on the fence about it. Ron Sims is flat-out against it, apparently.
  • Mike O'Brien was non-commital about whether the Sierra Club would support ST2. He said they would support it if it were greenhouse-gas friendly. What was bizarre about the whole thing, was that when people asked him what that meant, he couldn't come up with an answer rather instead said that Sound Transit would need to convince him. Every thing he said was vague, and it was clear that he did not have a good grasp of facts, figures or statistics. He said he lives in a single-family home and drives to work, but everyone else should take the bus. It was odd.
  • Jan Drago is very sharp, and had some interesting facts about the Bus Tunnel.
  • Greg Walker did have a good grasp of the facts, and did a great job explaining the Sound Transit position.
  • Rob and Mike both were enamored with congestion pricing, which I am sure will be a complete political disaster for whoever tries to implement it.
  • Will from Horse's Ass is hilarious.

It was a great forum, and the Friends of Seattle did an awesome job. And it was cool to meet Carless in Seattle, see Frank again, and chat with others interested in transit in our area. FoS is looking for bloggers, so if any of you are interested, you should go over there and send a mail to them about it.

Update Will brought back to mind Jan Drago's mention of the Discovery Institute's plan for the transit downtown tunnel, which would start at the stadium area and go to north of downtown. I lost my business laughing, and I was laughing so hard I was shushed. What a complete waste of time, even talking about it. The Discovery Institute itself says it would cost more than $10 billion... as much as all the light rail in prop 1!

19 comments:

rizzuhjj said...

Well, congestion pricing (or, maybe, congestion tolling) on the 520 is almost certain to happen given the low-hanging fruit of a federal grant.

TroyJMorris said...

Mike O'Brian has been blasted lately for his hollow opposition. At least we know why Sims is against it.

I'm wondering if it would just be easier to let KC Metro make a rail...

Ben Schiendelman said...

Pff, I went too! No mention at all.

Mike O'Neill said...

It was nice to meet you, too!

Ben Schiendelman said...

troy, no, KC Metro would never do it. All the political demand there is for buses, and you can run a lot of "right now" buses instead of "long term planning" for rail.

Ben Schiendelman said...

Er, 520 is not a federal highway. What federal grant is that?

Anonymous said...

The feds are cutting transpotartion funding.

Some Jerk said...

A big time Seattle transit blogger unaware of the USDOT Urban Partnership program? For shame, man.

rizzuhjj said...

Ben: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/327522_grant15.html

rizzuhjj said...

Wow, sorry about that.

Here is the article detailing the federal grant for a 520 coordinator congestion tolling projects.

Ben Schiendelman said...

rizzuhjj, thanks.

I just want to make sure there's no confusion - that's not what the Sierra Club is suggesting. They want to toll existing roadways to pay for external projects.

Brian Bundridge said...

Aww, I didn't know about it =(

Say, check out TVW (Channel 23 on Comcast)

WA State Trans. Cmsn is on about the ferries and such. Really great information.

Gordon Werner said...

what were the interesting facts about the bus tunnel?

quux said...

I'm glad to see you exposing Sierra Club's ineptitude, and wish someone would point a Times or Post-Intelligencer editorial at the subject.

It's not the first time I have seen them either misunderstand the issues, or be misleading about an issue (apparently by intent!).

Once upon a time, many moons ago, SC managed to be relevant and sensible. I wonder if those days are gone for good, or if they can be encouraged to return?

Max said...

SomeJerk is touting the NeoCon privatization program called Urban Partnership. The Washington Post ran a good story last week about what a scam it is. Look for the Peter deFazio quote...

No surprise Mike O'Brien is a solo commuter. I'm sure that law firm he works for gave him a nice, free parking space. There really is an interesting parallel between the Sierra Club and the 700 Club: their purist/fundamentalist approach has a lot more to do with their own proclivity towards sin - as opposed to society's failings. I think psychology calls that 'transferrance' or something like that.

sjc02005 said...

i doubt that sierra club will actually oppose ST2.1 once the sound transit board decides what they want and if they want a vote in 2008. it's more of a way for sierra club to try and get what they want by threatening opposition (make smaller/fewer parking garages).

Anonymous said...

Once upon a time, many moons ago, SC managed to be relevant and sensible

I'm not sure I agree. They had a crazy imigration policy at many points.

Martin said...

I wasn't at the forum, but I recall Drago talking about her "deep-bore" tunnel before. I think it was meant to be a viaduct replacement, not a bus or rail tunnel, no?

Michael said...

I didn't think that Mike was "inept" in his answers, so much as frustrating...

It seems more and more like the Sierra Club is content to sit back and piss all over anything suggested by folks, but has little interest in actually getting involved and participating in the conversation.

What I heard over and over was how they wanted WashDOT or ST to provide them with numbers and stats on things before they'd make detailed comments.

Really? Doesn't Sierra Club have access to some folks who could put together some numbers? Or how about raising some money to hire some independent experts to fact-check numbers, then?